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William Curb (any/all): I am William Curb. And I run the podcast. Hacking your Adhd, and

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William Curb (any/all): it's a short form podcast. That

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William Curb (any/all): well, it's more than just that now, but it started off as being like 15 min monologues, talking about tricks and tips and tricks to get through your Adhd. Manage it. Figure out how to work with your Adhd, not against it. But I've been over the last couple of years, been adding more interviews and stuff, and so those are still fairly short form. I don't try and go too long, although

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William Curb (any/all): my last few interviews I've done, I've been like.

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William Curb (any/all): well, let's just keep talking, and I'm like. Oh, I need to split these up because I don't want to post hour long interviews, because I know that's really hard for folks with Adhd.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm completely guilty of that, too. I'm always like, well, yeah, I mean, you could pick it up and listen. Like, that's the beauty of podcasting, I suppose, is that you know, if if you're using a podcast.

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Dave Delaney: And you know, there are many to choose from most of the time, and if the Mp. 3 set up correctly, like hopefully, they'll listen, and if they stop listening for whatever reason they can pick it back up right in the middle. Where they were. So. But yeah, we've come a long way. I mean, I remember that used to be a manual process in the Id. 3 tag of the Mp. 3 files of actually having to go in and make sure that that was set in itunes, so that people. It would remember the playback position. I think that

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Dave Delaney: just happens magically now. So it's.

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William Curb (any/all): I don't have to worry too much about my podcast. Players, because there are a few like, I'm like, Oh, that's a 3 h, podcast but man, that sounds like it's gonna be an interesting conversation. It's 0 chance. I'm going to listen to that straight through.

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Dave Delaney: No, yeah, I'm the same way. And by the way, and and I do like a big thing I wanna focus on today with you is about.

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Dave Delaney: you know, tips and tricks and hacks, and all the things to help adhders. But and I'll I'll add, and I know you're kind of nerdy, like I am. So we'll probably maybe geek out on AI and stuff, maybe but I also wanted to mention

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Dave Delaney: one thing that I do with my podcast app and I do it with like books as well. That's easier with audible is that if we're listening, if we're, if i'm listening to a podcast and it is, especially if it's a 3 h. Podcast if I'm listening to a podcast I'll take a screenshot on my phone, if I'm like walking the dog

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Dave Delaney: every time I hear something of value, something that stands out to me, or that I want to return to. So that way I get all these screenshots of my phone with the timeline. So I can say, Oh, there's that episode at 3 53. I need to go back and hear what that was so. It helps me. Remember. Do you have like tricks like that?

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William Curb (any/all): I use an app called drafts to do a lot of my note taking. And so when I'm like out on walk, listening to podcasts. I'm like, Oh, that was a great line. I will

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William Curb (any/all): try. And just so, the what the reason I like drafts as a note, taking app is, it always opens to a blank page. So I can, just

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William Curb (any/all): because I know there's so many times where I'm opening an app, and by the time I get to the feature I want, I've kind of forgotten what I want to do. I can just click this immediately, go into writing. Yeah. And so I'll just like

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William Curb (any/all): try and like

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William Curb (any/all): you know, open it up right quick. Thought, and then post a link from like just cut like, you know, the click the share link on the thing and just post that in.

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Dave Delaney: Oh, that's brilliant. Yeah, I love that is, that is that an Ios app or android.

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William Curb (any/all): I believe I have it on Ios, but I believe it's on Android as well.

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Dave Delaney: Okay, yeah, that's helpful.

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Dave Delaney: So yeah, so tell me, obviously, I've I've had the great pleasure of being a guest on your podcast. Already, and and loved it, and and then you were a guest on mine, and I completely buggered it up. So this is actually a re-record for folks listening. I'm full disclosure.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah. And as I mingled you, I'm like, Oh, this is a great chance to have another conversation. This is going to be fun, awesome.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, right? Right? Exactly. Yeah, yeah. I mean, my, I always tell people like, my 1st podcast. Was with my wife as the co-host. And it was a parenting podcast back in 2,005, which is 20 years this year, which is insane. But yeah, if you want like to hurry up on a divorce try forgetting to hit record on your couple's. Podcast from time to time, man, we would record like an hour episode, and I forgot to hit record. And she'd be like

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Dave Delaney: what like like so angry with me. So at least we're both we have that

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Dave Delaney: empathetic vibe going on when we bugger up podcasts or I bugger up podcasts so.

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William Curb (any/all): It's been a while since I've done.

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William Curb (any/all): I know there's been one last year that I really I just didn't publish, because it was like so badly recorded.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah.

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William Curb (any/all): But

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William Curb (any/all): that I it's 1 of those paranoid things that come on like. Oh, I need to have a backup. I haven't.

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William Curb (any/all): don't. I don't have a backup right now. Oh, no, that's gonna that's gonna bug me now. I used to always.

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Dave Delaney: Going back, so.

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William Curb (any/all): Recording.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, it's good to do. It's good to do so. Yes, tell me about, tell me about your podcast. And how you got started doing it. And I know it's not your 1st foray into podcasting. So yeah, share a little bit about that podcasting history and and what led to hacking my hacking your Adhd.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah.

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Dave Delaney: Bless you!

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah, I didn't make anything better. I'm gonna mute for a second and really cough.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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William Curb (any/all): There we go. Much better.

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William Curb (any/all): Beauty of editing. Yeah, right? But yeah. So I

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William Curb (any/all): used to be really intelligent, Frisbee and I was part of a professional league that folded. After that I went and was like, I'm going to keep doing this. But I'm going to do a podcast for

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William Curb (any/all): ultimate Frisbee, and it was probably

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William Curb (any/all): one of those things to just. I

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William Curb (any/all): didn't know what I was getting into, and it was it was

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William Curb (any/all): before I really embraced the fact that I had Adhd, and so like producing episodes was a Chore going through the email to contact people. To get on the show was a chore. I was

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William Curb (any/all): also in the trap of over editing. And so it was a show that lasted 11 episodes.

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William Curb (any/all): But

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William Curb (any/all): because I did that podcast there's 2 things that happened once one was at the end of the run. I had been texting with a friend with like, I can't get these episodes out. I'm just too lazy, and then went, well, it's not really that I'm lazy. It's just

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William Curb (any/all): oh, no, probably my Adhd! And then like that just was like this light bulb like. Oh.

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William Curb (any/all): I can do something about that.

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William Curb (any/all): Which is something I've always wanted. I've written about quite a few bit. Is that like Lazy is something that's really hard to do about other than just trying harder. And so that's why I kind of love the label of Adhd, because I'm like, oh, I can do something about Adhd. I can work with that.

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William Curb (any/all): But with Lazy I'm just got to try harder, and that's such a bad solution most of the time.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, so it's. And and it's negative just to to call yourself lazy, too. Yeah.

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William Curb (any/all): So, but in that instance it worked really well, because it

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William Curb (any/all): was like, Oh, wait! No, it's not that.

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William Curb (any/all): And so that led me to doing Adhd coaching and figuring out a lot of my Adhd stuff and me.

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William Curb (any/all): Then going from there being like, well, I did like doing the podcast

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William Curb (any/all): and I do know a lot more about how to do a podcast now.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah.

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William Curb (any/all): And so I'm like, I'm going to take the things I didn't like about doing that podcast.

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William Curb (any/all): Like length and God doing all the the guest booking and stuff.

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William Curb (any/all): and just not do that. I'm just gonna do monologues, short form, the kind of stuff that I would have liked to hear while I was trying going through my initial Adhd journey, like, I want to have these short things like, here's what to do about this particular issue.

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William Curb (any/all): And so the initially, the plan was like, I'm going to focus really heavily on these tools for how to do. I'm like

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William Curb (any/all): Adhd Toolbox or something, you know. And I'm like

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William Curb (any/all): writing these episodes. And I'm like.

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William Curb (any/all): keep coming back like, well, it's not really the tool here. That's really important. It's how you use this tool. And so I'm like, okay, this is not going to be a show about using tools. This is going to be a show about the strategies behind the tools. And so

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William Curb (any/all): that kind of led to me.

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William Curb (any/all): changing the direction of how I wanted to do the show, renaming

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William Curb (any/all): it from a tool focus into hacking your Adhd, which, because it spent a long time being like for a name that feels so generic, it spent a long time there.

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William Curb (any/all): Cause at the time. I was like, you know, reading life hacker and all those other things. And

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William Curb (any/all): but I was like, Oh, yeah, I just had read a description of what hacking was as a

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William Curb (any/all): novel approach to solving a problem. And I went. Oh, perfect! That's perfect! That's exactly what I want for this show. We're taking these novel solutions to trying to solve our issues with Adhd, because doing what we think typically would work doesn't.

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Dave Delaney: That's interesting, too, like the word hacking. Actually, you made me think, because.

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Dave Delaney: like traditionally hacking always had a negative connotation to it, because you would think of something nefarious going on, or some def con, or whatever like black hat trickiness. But at the same time.

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Dave Delaney: and I think it's really very much with Web 2. 0, and sort of the

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Dave Delaney: the adoption of things like podcasting and other mediums and of course, social networks before they all went evil

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Dave Delaney: but

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Dave Delaney: but but you know, back in the social web days of blogging, and, as I said, like Web 2. 0, you know.

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Dave Delaney: when social networks, social networking sites opened up their Apis like Twitter back in the early days, and and so on, where developers could actually get in the sandbox and play with their code and actually come up with new and cool and fun. Creative things that would work off of. You know that Api

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Dave Delaney: people start getting into like sort of hacking for good, in a sense, I think, and there was like hackathons and things like that. And and people realized that like, Oh, wait like this hacking thing is actually a really, it's a really good thing. It's a positive thing.

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Dave Delaney: Yes, there were negative hackers, sure. But at the same time, when it applies to self-improvement, and and working through things, including your Adhd, or hacking, mowing your lawn with a robot mower, or whatever it is. So I think it was a good, a good choice. What year? When, when did you start the podcast then.

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William Curb (any/all): Good to have.

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Dave Delaney: It's been a while.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah, it was 2019. Now.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, see, that's that's great. That's great. And you haven't Pod faded, which is awesome, too.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah. Well, so it was that like

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William Curb (any/all): October 2019. And so that then gave me like.

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William Curb (any/all): 6 months before we really hit pandemic status. Which was then there was, I had remember having, like this, like.

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William Curb (any/all): podcasting in the pandemic longer than before. That's wild.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, yeah.

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William Curb (any/all): But I do think that was a

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William Curb (any/all): great time for me to be have been doing it, because there were a lot of people that were struggling with Adhd stuff. And so that we got

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William Curb (any/all): a lot more interest in finding podcasts and being very short episodes was very accessible to people. And they're like, Okay, let's

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William Curb (any/all): check this one out. And then people are like, Oh, well.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, kind of like this guy.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And there's a lot to like. So tell me about some of the.

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Dave Delaney: So tell me some of the things that you've learned over the last, you know, year, or like more recently, as far as

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Dave Delaney: those hacking tips or tools. And of course, you know, we always have to preface this. Both of us are not doctors, of course, nor do we play them on the Internet. And also, you know as it applies to Adhd, of course, is different for different folks. So I mean, obviously there is an acronym. There is consistent things. But then, again, you know, everybody experiences it a little differently. So yeah. But having said that, what are what are some of the the things that you've been

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Dave Delaney: that have gotten you excited over the last year or 2 that that you find helpful.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah. So well, I had that thing I talked about earlier with the fact that it's typically not the tool. That's important. It's the strategy behind the tool with that said

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William Curb (any/all): having the right tool for the job is also kind of important. It's like.

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William Curb (any/all): you know, if you're like, oh, I need to deal with a screw, and you bring a hammer. It's

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William Curb (any/all): you're like, well, they they kind of serve the same. They put together fasteners, but they do it in such a vastly different way that

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William Curb (any/all): it's important to kind of be like, oh, if I can use the right tools, then that's important. But then within that, like genre of tools, it's less important what? Exactly you're using. And then it's like, okay, how am I using the tool to

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William Curb (any/all): make what I want to happen. And so that comes down to all these habits and.

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Dave Delaney: Ways that we're approaching problem solving a lot of the time. So

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Dave Delaney: you just to before you say so like just taking a step back. It's really.

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Dave Delaney: maybe before even going on the hunt for tools. It, it's finding it's actually defining the problems that you're trying to solve.

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William Curb (any/all): Exactly.

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Dave Delaney: You can start, you know. Okay, I'm trying to like, put this, put this pointy sharp device into the wall, and it's got a little star shape on the top. That probably means it's not a nail. It's probably a screwdriver that I'm going to need. Yeah. So yeah, so sorry I didn't mean to cut you off, either, but.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah, yeah, well, and so then, that's the yeah. That's the big piece there is that we

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William Curb (any/all): I have found. It is very important. When I'm going into these problem solving things to be like.

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William Curb (any/all): Hey, you know, you have Adhd. So plan with that in mind, don't plan with going

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William Curb (any/all): a more neurotypical strategy, or like the

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William Curb (any/all): death of me as being like, oh, I'll just do this one thing, and I'm like.

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William Curb (any/all): just is a terrible word to have, because it just hand waves away any difficulty it was like, Oh, just go do the dishes. And I'm like.

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William Curb (any/all): yes, but it's not. That's not. The problem is doing the dishes isn't the problem. It's getting started in doing the dishes. Okay, why is that an issue? It's like, Oh, I need to make this. Do I need to make this more interesting? Do I need?

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William Curb (any/all): Am I trying to do this in a time where I should be doing something else? And I'm distracted. Is there? What's going on? That's making this hard. And so yeah, defining the problem is a huge piece and then going like, Okay, well, I'm distracted doing the dishes is boring. Well, maybe I need to do something like.

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William Curb (any/all): listen to a podcast. Or try to be like, how fast can I do the dishes. I actually don't recommend that one, because that's how you break things. But

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William Curb (any/all): but yeah, you know, being like, Oh, I'm going to get. I'm gonna get a point chart and have this. And so yeah, which a lot of people be like, oh, don't have a point chart. That's external motivation. But like.

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William Curb (any/all): that's a neurotypical way to view that problem. And it's like, well, I'm not neurotypical. And external motivation works a lot better for my brain yeah, than what I can often just sum up on my own.

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William Curb (any/all): So.

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Dave Delaney: Do you find that?

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Dave Delaney: I was gonna say, like when you so let's say you're you know it's doing the dishes. That's the thing you you want to accomplish. And that's the problem is that you have. You just can't get going on it.

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Dave Delaney: I find sometimes, even before I was diagnosed. Certainly I would remember this as like

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Dave Delaney: when I had something big to do.

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Dave Delaney: I would pick something bigger that I really didn't want to do and make that the task to focus on like there's this joke that was going around a long time ago, and it's not like a funny joke. So I should have prefaced with that.

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Dave Delaney: Oh, that's hilarious! It's not that at all. It's not. Ha! Ha! Funny!

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Dave Delaney: But it's this this point about, you know, when if you want.

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Dave Delaney: if you want to accomplish something like, go if you want to write the book, then plan to do your taxes, or if you want to clean your house, you know, plan to do your taxes or something that you just dreadfully don't want to do. And I told you it wasn't funny.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah, it was. Yeah. The the procrastinate or productive procrastination.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Russell Ramsey called it.

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Dave Delaney: What was? It was a product? It was like productivity or procrastitivity.

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William Curb (any/all): Progressivity.

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Dave Delaney: Processivity. That's what it was. Yes, yes, yes. Yeah. Yeah.

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William Curb (any/all): And I mean that that can be a great strategy when you're like, well, I don't really need to do this, but if I say, I'm going to do it. Yeah. And

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William Curb (any/all): So I mean that I did was something I did last week where I was like, oh, I'm going to do this other thing, and I'm like, Well, I won't

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William Curb (any/all): had something popped. I'm like, well, I'm just gonna do this other thing that I know I need to do. And I, just, you know, started doing this writing for this other project. I'm like.

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Dave Delaney: I always add that, like, it's not that I'm sitting watching Netflix all day. It's just that, like, I'm working on my podcast. Editing. And and I love that. But it's like, Oh, crap, I still have bills to pay right like, I still have a business to to run. And so there's this, always this, this dance between the passion projects and the and the work stuff that's actually, gonna you know. Keep the lights on.

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William Curb (any/all): Okay, if I if I go with my Adhd, we will go in a direction, and it will be fine.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, so. And and it's all you know. If you have a Google Workspace account, then it's free. And I it might be free

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah. And it's I mean, I think that's also that's like, you know, finding that right tool of being like, Oh, I don't need

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Dave Delaney: extra, like extra features, and they had so many features that they forget what they were originally. I think the one I'll pick on here is Mailchimp, which was a great email marketing platform until they went into like all the like, create landing pages, create this, create that. And it's like, Wait, Whoa, whoa, let's get back to the email marketing part and make sure that's working well.

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William Curb (any/all): I always like to when I'm having some sort of problem. Try as best I can to non-judgmentally step back and be like, well, why is this happening? Is this.

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William Curb (any/all): Because that's like, often with, like, the yeah, the Crm, like I, if I always have trouble, like.

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Dave Delaney: I got like a reprimanded from a manager once, years ago that my emails were too brief.

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Dave Delaney: I've always treated it. Now this is pre diagnosis. So I wasn't even aware of my Adhd, but my

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Dave Delaney: if you send me like, unless it has to be long. But I think the shorter the email the better. But she would just be like, Yeah, but you didn't say like, you know, you gotta say like, Hi, will, you know, I hope you're having a great day, anyway. Blah blah like, here's the thing instead of just like here's the thing. And thanks, Dave, like I got reprimanded for that. And it was just like. I mean, it was silly, because but I suppose that's what some people expect. It's the same thing, too, when, like you exchange emails.

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Dave Delaney: I don't want to ever email somebody to say thanks.

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Dave Delaney: because, like, I mean, unless there's like this long, heartfelt thanks about something. But otherwise it's like, if you're like, Oh, yeah, I went ahead and did the thing.

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Dave Delaney: I don't wanna have to clog up your inbox with yet another email. You have to read that says, just thanks. Like.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah. And you're just like, you're great.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, right? Right? Thumbs up like, yeah. Yeah. And and I don't. I do struggle with that sometimes because I wonder, like, if more neurotypical folks expect that, or whether you know it's 1 of those challenges of.

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William Curb (any/all): producer, assistant person, and they help me with some of their my emails. And they will send like a lots of thanks emails. And I've like looking at them like

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Dave Delaney: you know, if you write me and you're like, hey, Dave? And I could, you know. I'm sure you get so many, too. But it's like, Hey, Dave, you know. Hey, Dave Delaney, you know communication strategist about future forth, and also why squirrels. Podcast and it's exactly like my Linkedin profile summary or my profile headline.

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Dave Delaney: you know. And and I get these emails all the time, and it drives me crazy. And then I start to reply to them, saying, like, you know, and I send them sometimes. But most of the time. I don't. I stop because I'm like I'm wasting time. But I'll start replying and saying, Listen

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Dave Delaney: I listen to your podcast. And I love the episode with blah blah. And it's like, I can tell, like, I can tell, this is automated, and I can tell it's like, you know, you know, 1st name here, last name there. And

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Dave Delaney: you're telling me you're starting an email by lying to me, you're sending me an email saying, I love your podcast and you've never listened to it, because you're sending the same message to everybody. And so why would you expect me to do business with you when the 1st thing we've done is you've lied to me.

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William Curb (any/all): create emails with AI where I'm just like, Oh, hey, just help me! For give me an I like using AI for the step before I write email, where I'm like, what kind of things should I say? And then be like, Okay, this is great. I'll use these ideas because but I find a lot of people like Skip that they're like, I'm just going to go from AI to sending the email. And I'm like, that's where you have a lot of problems, because then it looks awful. And

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William Curb (any/all): I read some study a while ago, or probably a headline of a study. So I don't know how accurate this is. But once people realize something is AI generated writing, their interest drops by like 90%. And like, or they're like

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William Curb (any/all): 90% less likely to finish the article or something. And I'm like, Oh, I can totally see that like if I whenever I see something I'm like. Oh, this was not really written. This was generated. I

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Dave Delaney: Right? Yeah, yeah, it's it's a big red flag. And it's so, are you? Are you using AI in your own kind of day to day. I know there's you've talked about it on your show a bunch. I'm kind of prompting you here.

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William Curb (any/all): Wow, because, yeah, so we have all these like executive function things. This is us

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William Curb (any/all): that I would get caught up in like one of the examples I loved is taking a picture of a room and then feeding that into like Chat Gpd, and be like, hey, what are the steps I should take to clean this room, and then it can be because of how it can analyze pictures. Now, it will be like, Hey, put away these things. And you know, I can be like, okay, break this down into steps. Where should I start, what kind of things would make cleaning this room easier? And, like, you know, asking questions like that and being like, Okay, this. Now

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William Curb (any/all): I have done this with my children and been like, here's a picture of your room. Here's what this says you need to clean, and they're like, Oh, great! I'll do that. That worked really well the 1st 2 times, and then they're like, I still don't want to clean my room, but

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William Curb (any/all): what we do is we go. Here's an item on my to-do list, and it's really a project.

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William Curb (any/all): or we just don't know where to get started. And so, having that like breakdown of tasks where we don't have to do it, because that's a task in itself as well can be really helpful to be like, okay, I have this starting place. I can get going on that now, because, honestly, that is usually the biggest executive function. Hurdle is like that 1st step of getting started and building that momentum into doing the thing

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William Curb (any/all): Like having that like little piece of like. Okay, here's where I'm going to get going. Although what the been joking recently, one of the ways I've been dealing with that recently is doing fake work before I do real work where I kind of like format the document before. I'm like writing like, I'm like, Oh, right? Okay, well, here's

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William Curb (any/all): these things I'm doing and doing all the stuff around it, but not actually working. I'm like, well, I'll just write this sentence like this piece is about how to modulate your attention, modulating your attention means. And then, like as I do it, I'm like, okay, then I just kind of fall into doing it.

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Dave Delaney: Oh, yeah, it's like the atomic habits thing about, like, you know, you, yeah, you do like the most minimal work you can on something like, Okay, I will only hit the treadmill for 5 min, and and then, you know, and then standing on the treadmill, and obviously, you know, 5 min passes pretty quickly, and then you're like 10 min. Of course this is me not standing on a treadmill, so I should also add that.

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William Curb (any/all): My favorite version of that, too, is when I'm like stuck on the couch, or you know, I'm like, I got to get up and do something, but I just can't get myself to do that.

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Dave Delaney: Yes.

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William Curb (any/all): Like, okay, can I wiggle my toes toes? Okay, can I move my foot.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah.

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William Curb (any/all): Move my foot. And I kind of go up my leg. And I'm like, Okay, can I like plant my feet to stand? Can I stand up.

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Dave Delaney: That's great. Actually, that's a great. That's a i like that idea. I like that a lot. Actually.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah. And it's and like, Oh, can I apply this to other areas, too? Like, can I write one word in this document? Can I write 2 words? Can I write what the document is about? And then.

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William Curb (any/all): there is that idea of like eating the frog doing your hardest task first, st and I don't know some people that works great for, and I have so much trouble starting with my hardest task, I will just dance around it so much if I'm trying to approach it head on. But if I try to kind of like

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Dave Delaney: and I'm I'm gonna say some things that kind of, generally speaking, generalizing so unscientific. But

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Dave Delaney: as as I find that like, I'm quite creative. And so, and my understanding at least, is that mornings tend to be better for creatives that to work on that creative stuff. And so, yeah, if the frog is to do your taxes. And you're like, okay, I got to do that 1st thing of the day.

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Dave Delaney: It's kind of I don't know, I think, for me personally, like just doing that grunt work in the morning is just brutal, like just, and it's also it just sucks the energy out of me. So by the time I if I do do it because there's things I just have to do like taxes or whatever. Then, by the time the afternoon comes around I'm just spent I'm done. I'm out. I'm out and like now it's Netflix time, because I can't.

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Dave Delaney: I just can't do anything creatively at that point.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah, I do like the phrase make before you manage where you do like making your 1st task something creative to get you going, get your things going. And then being like, Okay, yeah, I'm going to save those

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William Curb (any/all): doing filling out forms for the afternoon where you know, like, I've already done the fun stuff. And I'm feeling a little bit better about myself and

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William Curb (any/all): can kind of get that in. Yeah. And then also, being like, yeah. Well, okay, if I have to do my taxes, that's not.

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William Curb (any/all): The starting point is not just being like taxes. It's like, Okay, well, if I'm going to set up the space to do them. I'm going to make sure that I have everything I need, and if I do all that before work. Then when I sit down to do it, I'm like, Okay, well, I can actually do this because I've done everything I need to do.

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Dave Delaney: Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But and then and then a good question is, you know, in this current administration, do we have to do taxes at all?

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah, right? That's a. It's a great question. Cause will the Irs exist in a couple of months?

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Dave Delaney: I don't.

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William Curb (any/all): No, that is a wild answer. But who knows?

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Dave Delaney: Who knows? Yes, yes, but in case they're listening, I'm doing my taxes. It's okay

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William Curb (any/all): I pack it to do my taxes over here next to me. But.

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Dave Delaney: For the record. We are doing our taxes.

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William Curb (any/all): Scouts on her.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, yeah.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah. Didn't. Didn't drop out before actually becoming a scout right?

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Dave Delaney: So. Yeah, so you know, I often find that.

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Dave Delaney: questions and feedback that I end up giving people is like giving themselves grace. You know those who are newly diagnosed and and just understanding that, like you have a different, I always say it's an operating system. But whatever, however, you want to phrase it, like, you know, it's important to learn about Adhd. Obviously, if you've just been diagnosed and kind of get and and learn about it the right way, which is not on tiktok

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Dave Delaney: but instead, I mean, there's some fun stuff there, sure, but but in fact, personally like the. And I've I've written about this a little bit about the memes and the Adhd memes, and like

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Dave Delaney: I mean, I'm I'm a pretty funny guy. I've got a good sense of humor don't get me wrong. But at the same time it's like.

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Dave Delaney: maybe because I'm newly diagnosed. It's not usually very funny to me. It's like you can, I think, like online on social and stuff. You can like, write a funny thing. But then, like, add a tip or add something that will help

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Dave Delaney: you know. Forgot your keys again. That's so, Adhd. It's like that doesn't help me at all, and I know where my keys are. Thank you.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah. Yeah. Cause if I didn't know where they are, then I would really not know where they are. So I have to know where they are.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, right? Right? Right?

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah, cause that that'd be the

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William Curb (any/all): I always. But yeah, the problem is, they just don't have enough context, because, Adhd is this like spectrum disorder. And so, yeah, you're going to have people that do this, these things and other like

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William Curb (any/all): time. Blindness is like this issue where everyone has not everyone but people have this, you know. They can't don't know how long something's going to take, and they can't tell how much time is passing when they're doing things. And so they're always late to things. And

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William Curb (any/all): I rarely deal with time blindness issues, because I have so much anxiety about being late.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, yeah.

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William Curb (any/all): That's like.

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William Curb (any/all): So I can't be like, solve time blindness through anxiety like that's bad advice. That's

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William Curb (any/all): not good for my health. It's but it's also

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William Curb (any/all): then, being like, Yeah, you're really late for everything. No, I'm almost never late to anything, because

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William Curb (any/all): my Adhd has taught me how bad it is for me to be late, like I've had too many corrections. And like, you know, in school, being like, Yeah, I used to be late all the time, and then I got into so much trouble that it like

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William Curb (any/all): was probably traumatizing. So that I think that's 1 of the most frustrating thing, too, is for people like

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William Curb (any/all): they're like talking about some Adhd trait or like learned skill. And I'm like, that's not good, that is trauma. Stop making that sound like a good thing like people like, Oh, yeah, Adhd, they have this like, Esp, 6 sense of when things are bad. I'm like, no, that's trauma. That's them. Having been in bad experiences so often that they have a sense for it. That's trauma. Don't don't romanticize trauma.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah. And that's a big part, too. And and something I've talked about here before. I know Russ Barkley did a video kind of our videos about Gabor Gabor mate.

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Dave Delaney: And I've actually written something paraphrasing what he said, basically, which is that he's completely wrong.

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Dave Delaney: You know his his hypothesis, or whatever claims that trauma causes Adhd with a minus like tiny, tiny fraction of of head trauma, maybe, but with that aside

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Dave Delaney: not everybody, of course, but many of us have faced trauma just from like the the negative feedback you get at school and and all. And you know the the people, you know, just judging you and and all that stuff, but then also from parents, because, especially our generation.

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Dave Delaney: you know.

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Dave Delaney: I don't. Parents weren't commonly diagnosed with Adhd back in the day. And now we know that it's like somewhere around 75, 80%, and almost as heretable as height, heritable as height.

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Dave Delaney: like for myself personally, just my dad, I mean my dad and I had a great relationship, you know, for years before he passed, but you know, when when I was younger, you know he was a heavy drinker, and he was a prick, and we'd get into fights constantly, and all these things, and you know, but you think of like alcohol addiction. And and it's, you know, being common or not common, but it being

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Dave Delaney: addiction, is certainly goes hand in hand with Adhd. Let's just say that so.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah.

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Dave Delaney: I don't know. I just kind of rambling there.

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William Curb (any/all): I do it through stimulants. So yeah, there's people that like, you know, like, I have my energy drink that I have with this. I'm like, yeah, that is probably

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Dave Delaney: No, no.

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William Curb (any/all): caffeine is a terrible self medication. You build a tolerance to it like immediately, and so it will, and if you keep increasing it, it will be really bad. You need to

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William Curb (any/all): take breaks, and it's not a good self-medication tool.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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William Curb (any/all): Which I want to emphasize, because I know that we're going to have. We have all the stimulant stuff. I'm like preparing to write alternative treatment plans for Adhd. If stimulants have more pushback on them, which I predict that's going to happen. But I'm like.

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William Curb (any/all): forget where I was going with this.

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Dave Delaney: No, no, yeah. I mean, well, yeah, coming up with with.

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Dave Delaney: yeah, solutions, should should that happen? And yeah, I mean.

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Dave Delaney: yeah. Yeah. And the and the kind of current political landscape. Yeah.

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Dave Delaney: without making this all about politics. But certainly, you know, with Rfk. Jr. Being very vocal.

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William Curb (any/all): Incorrectly.

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Dave Delaney: So thank you

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Dave Delaney: correctly. So you know. And it's part of the thing that drives me crazy. Is that like

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Dave Delaney: like, he's right about a bunch of stuff.

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Dave Delaney: but he's wrong about a bunch of stuff, and it's going to really hurt us

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Dave Delaney: if he proceeds without realizing he's wrong about some of the stuff so like the stuff like. And again, I don't follow it enough.

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Dave Delaney: but you know I mean the

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Dave Delaney: the additives and crap that we put in the in. The food in this country is appalling, and it and it should be illegal because it is illegal. Everywhere else. Every other country you get a packet of skittles in Canada and a packet of skittles. Here the red dye use is different, and now they've changed one of the red dyes, but I think the other dyes are still

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Dave Delaney: available. And so there is a lot to be said about our diet in the Us. And how, yeah, we're poisoned. Basically, there is stuff. But we do need immunizations. We do need like

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Dave Delaney: that's the problem is, he's like.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah.

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Dave Delaney: Partly right, but he's not right in both.

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William Curb (any/all): Well, and then like looking at what. So I spent.

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William Curb (any/all): I was going to do something about food dyes at some point, and like spent

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William Curb (any/all): a lot of time watching very boring videos about food dyes from

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William Curb (any/all): scientists at like the Usda Symposium on it. And I was like, this is

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William Curb (any/all): you. You don't want people with Adhd watching this. But what you're saying is.

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William Curb (any/all): there's a small percent chance that they have a small effect on some people, and I'm like.

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William Curb (any/all): which was, I'm like, okay. And then they're like, so our recommendation is that you don't use any food dyes. And I'm like.

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William Curb (any/all): Wait, what.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah.

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William Curb (any/all): And it's because it's they're like unnecessary in some ways.

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William Curb (any/all): in other ways, like making food more palatable is a good thing to do, especially for people that have trouble with

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William Curb (any/all): making sure they eat. But yeah, like.

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William Curb (any/all): there are healthier choices I can make than needing a bag of skills, you know, like, okay, let's

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William Curb (any/all): do some like, I'm not trying to say, like, Yeah, you should

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William Curb (any/all): chow down on junk food. But there are

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William Curb (any/all): the science behind. What it actually does is still not quite there. And so like, I'm like, yeah, eat more vegetables. But

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William Curb (any/all): I think that's usually what it's the bigger issue, too, is like, not exactly what we're eating. It's what we're not eating.

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Dave Delaney: That's true. Yeah, that's true. Yeah.

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William Curb (any/all): If we're making sure that we're getting like the proteins and

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William Curb (any/all): give our brain the stuff it needs to run.

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William Curb (any/all): Then we're going to be better off, and we're not going to be

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William Curb (any/all): going after these snacks that are awful for us, because.

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Dave Delaney: Oh, sorry go ahead!

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah, well, because I was just like, often, it's

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William Curb (any/all): the reason that we're doing it is because we are.

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William Curb (any/all): It's like a side effect of our Adhd, where like, oh, if I forgetting to eat my eat food, then when I'm hungry, I want to get something super calorie dense right away.

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William Curb (any/all): and

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William Curb (any/all): I'm not going to have the executive function to make a meal. That's good for me. I'm going to be like, let's grab, you know, a protein bar or a handful of chocolate chips or something, and that's probably not the best way to go about when I need food. And so it's like, okay, if I can build in these strategies to be like, okay, let's eat more vegetables. Let's

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William Curb (any/all): plan my meals. When am I going to actually eat them? I know people are like you just eat when you're hungry. I'm like that doesn't work for me. I don't know when I'm hungry. And just like eat till you're safe. I don't know when I'm full.

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William Curb (any/all): This is well.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, that. And that's a big part. That's a big thing. Because we

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Dave Delaney: like, I've learned that. Well, I learned this a while back that when you feel hungry

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Dave Delaney: you're typically actually thirsty, and if you just drank some water or something healthy

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Dave Delaney: that would curb the hunger for a while.

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Dave Delaney: And if you feel thirsty, that means that you're probably getting dehydrated.

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Dave Delaney: and that you're actually really thirsty, and you really should drink something. So if you're if you're feeling hungry. It could be that you're thirsty. Drink some liquid instead, like water, something, you know, not like a coke or something. And then and again, like

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Dave Delaney: there's like. 1st of all, I get a lot of my, and I'm not like a health nut, by any means. But I do get a lot of my health information from countries outside of the Us. Because I don't exactly trust, and I'm not like somebody who's like, I'm not paranoid, or or you know. I understand we do need grownups who are running things, and and I need to trust them hopefully. They'll they make the right decisions. God only knows right now. But

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Dave Delaney: usually that's the case. So I'm not. It's not that I'm not trusting. It's just I. I like to look at things from outside of the country to see what other countries are doing.

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Dave Delaney: The way that certain chemicals and foods and additives have been banned in other countries, every other country almost except the Us.

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Dave Delaney: It gives me pause, and for concern, I mean. And then it happens, maybe in California, where it has, and then it trickles on to other States over time, hopefully and.

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William Curb (any/all): Then you'll have to like we call things different things. So a lot of people like do the like

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William Curb (any/all): comparison of food dyes banned in Europe versus food dyes banned in the Us. And they're like they're just. They have different names. And so there's like, Oh, there's a number of them that are

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William Curb (any/all): allowed in both. But they're like, why doesn't Europe use these food dyes? And it's like, because they call it something else.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, yeah. Well, I I think that. Yeah, they're and they're certainly safe. I'm not speaking about food dyes. Specifically, I just mentioned that with the the. You know the skittles example.

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Dave Delaney: But you know it is a fact that, like if you get skittles in another country, yes, they have the same beautiful colors that are all white or black, or whatever they have the same beautiful colors, but they're but they use like vegetable oil whatever, and I don't know what's in these concoctions, and of course it's a pack of skittles, so anywhere you eat it. It's garbage. You probably shouldn't be eating it, anyway. But I do have concerns about yeah, the quality of of some of the food.

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Dave Delaney: and and also the you mentioned. You know, also sort of the the or you alluded to it a bit. The addictive kind of matter which is like you look at like like Doritos, for example, right like Doritos, are like

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Dave Delaney: it. It drives me crazy. How well designed they are! And they are designed by man. Right like they have, like the crunch, the flavor, the the gradual change of the flavor in your mouth, the color like they're perfect that shape like they're perfectly designed to be as addictive as possible, that you want to keep eating them. And the problem is that if you have undiagnosed especially, or untreated Adhd.

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Dave Delaney: we are prone to addiction and and overeating is one of those things, and for me. For years

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Dave Delaney: I drove my family nuts because I would finish my food. Then I would finish my wife's food at a restaurant, and then I would finish my son's food and my daughter's food, so I would eat like we would have no empty plates, and my kids would be like so embarrassed, and had to eat all their chicken fingers and all their fries. But the thing is, and I always said it was because my mom grew up during the war during the blitz in London, and my dad was kind of poor growing up, and so they always reminded me, you know. Finish your plate. You have to eat all your food.

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Dave Delaney: and I always associated with that. And then I realized now that, like no, it was being excessive. It was just not even knowing that I'm not hungry anymore, but just eating it all.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah, yeah, because we have. Adhd tends to have this terrible like sense of self or interoception. And we're like.

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William Curb (any/all): yet we don't notice when we feel bad until we feel really bad, or we feel really hungry or really thirsty. And then it's like

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William Curb (any/all): those are bad signaling methods to try and tell us to do things, you know, like, for

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William Curb (any/all): sitting, I'll like, get in my chair and sit in a funny position, and it's like

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William Curb (any/all): it's fine for like a minute, but then, like I'll be sitting there for 30 min, and then I'll be like, Oh, my back really hurts now.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, it's like.

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William Curb (any/all): Oh, I should have noticed that

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William Curb (any/all): 25 min ago. But I it was just not something that registered with me.

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Dave Delaney: That's the story of my life, man. I've got a terrible back. I've got a mat here on the floor at my office. I'm supposed to stretch on from time to time. I can't believe how time is flying by. And and I, man, I've been really excited about catching up with you, and and and having you on the show, do you have any anything that to plug, or anything you would like to to add? And also, you know any, any questions for me, or anything like that.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah, well, I think the thing I want to make sure people know the most is that

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William Curb (any/all): it's really important to remember that you have Adhd like, and to not judge yourself for having Adhd like that is

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William Curb (any/all): one of the

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William Curb (any/all): biggest things I've learned is to go. I have Adhd. I need to solve problems with this in mind. And being like.

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William Curb (any/all): you know, like, I'll be doing something like, Why can't I do this? And it's like, Oh, Adhd.

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William Curb (any/all): right? Oh, okay, how do I work with this? Yes, and

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William Curb (any/all): not doing it like. And yeah, doing that like, how do I work with this? Not. You know. How am I going to get this climber to go up the mountain with me? How not? How am I going to drag them along? Because if I drag them along bad times.

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William Curb (any/all): so yeah. So I think that's just what I want to make sure. People kind of take away is like, yeah, it's it's Adhd. It's okay, work with it because you don't have any other options. And

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William Curb (any/all): as much as sometimes people are like, yeah, just just do it didn't work.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, right.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah, so

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Dave Delaney: The mountain climber. By the way, I love the image. And when I was talking about automation earlier picture the the price is right little Swedish guy or Swiss guy that climbs up the mountain. You know what I'm talking about, anyway. I don't know why that popped in my head.

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William Curb (any/all): But yeah, yeah, I mean, I've up.

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William Curb (any/all): It's a metaphor I've loved for a long time, but I don't think I've actually written about on my show. Weird.

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Dave Delaney: There you go. You're hearing it here first.st Folks.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah. But

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William Curb (any/all): yeah. So people, yeah, do that. And then for people that want to know more about my stuff at hacking your Adhd, I am now on Youtube and blue sky.

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William Curb (any/all): And yeah, if you want to that, that's my social.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah.

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William Curb (any/all): Because they have trouble with a lot of the other ones, and

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William Curb (any/all): don't know how long those ones will last you. But we'll we'll see

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Dave Delaney: That's true. Yeah, yeah, there's yeah. I try to be everywhere. And it's just it's exhausting, especially when it's you know, yeah, it's it's exhausting. And I'll be making some changes. Come, you know, in in what I'm doing, too. But

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Dave Delaney: but yeah, I think yeah, Youtube, certainly, as a Podcaster is probably a good place to be.

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Dave Delaney: given. You know the numbers of

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Dave Delaney: podcast listeners which I still don't understand, because

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Dave Delaney: I'm an audio guy, mainly so.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah, I know it's taken me a while to be like, okay, I guess I'll do that. But but why?

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William Curb (any/all): Right? It's the second largest search engine. That's why.

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William Curb (any/all): Yeah, then, yeah, that's exactly it. It's like, Oh.

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William Curb (any/all): I would never go and search for something on

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William Curb (any/all): my podcast app. But I would search for something on Youtube. And if I run into a podcast

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William Curb (any/all): maybe I'll listen to it. Or maybe I'll load it up on my phone and then go for a walk.

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Dave Delaney: Yeah, yeah, I do that too. Well, this has been awesome. And I really do appreciate your patience with rescheduling this and spending some time with us and of course, I do encourage everybody to listen to hacking your Adhd, and you can search for it wherever you listen to podcasts because it's it is a great one, and you do an awesome job with it. So thank you for that.

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William Curb (any/all): Thank you. I love coming on again so.

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Dave Delaney: Cheers, man.

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William Curb (any/all): Awesome.